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Pablo Larrain talks to Buzzfeed and Harpers Bazaar for 'Spencer' and mentions Kristen

 


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The movie is contained within a three-day period, imagining what might've happened behind closed doors during a Christmas at the Queen's Sandringham estate. The relationship between Diana and Charles is already unraveling as the movie begins, with the princess coming to terms with the fact that the future she imagined — one where she might one day become queen — no longer exists.

Of course, Spencer isn't the first interpretation of Princess Diana's life, but it's one that identifies itself as a work of fiction from the very beginning — something other versions have failed to do.

As The Crown brought Diana's character into the forefront, for example, her brother said there should be a disclaimer that explains the story is fiction based on true events, calling it "unfair" that people might take what they see as being fact.

"I think it would help The Crown an enormous amount if, at the beginning of each episode, it stated that: 'This isn't true but it is based around some real events,'" he previously said. "I worry people do think [the show] is gospel, and that's unfair."

"It's the only way to do it," Pablo Larraín, the director of Spencer, told BuzzFeed News in a recent interview. "You have to start with things that are real, and that's why, before the movie starts, you can read on the screen that it says it's a fable from a true tragedy."

"Many things are real facts — the context, the events that actually did happen," he said. "But once you are inside, once the doors are closed, all you have is a sort of fiction and we just imagine how could that be, but always understanding that we're not doing a documentary. We're doing a fable."

In fact, Pablo would go as far as to say that it's "not possible" to create a biopic that's a true and complete reflection of a person – especially one as well-known and loved as Diana.

"I've worked before in the past with other known people and figures from history," Pablo, who previously directed Jackie, explained. "I'm sure that you would never be able to really capture someone — it's not possible. Not even the most accomplished biopic.

"What I try to do is to find some sort of space that could resemble a very specific illusion on who that person might have been," he went on. "And I think Diana, she's part of the universal myth. It's like working around William Shakespeare. Someone could just pick up any of his plays and do a version, and this is our version of that sort of universal narrative."

This interpretation of Diana's story is led by an impressive Kristen Stewart, who is already receiving Oscar buzz for her performance. That likely won't have come as a surprise to Pablo.

"It was really beautiful to see how someone is at the top of her game, the top of her skills, and she was just doing something extremely beautiful," he said of working with the star on set. "She did prepare herself a lot and worked really hard and delivered something that's indescribable, like music or art — you just have to see it and experience it."

It's fair to say that Kristen's performance shuts down any criticism of her casting in the role, nailing the all-important accent as well as encapsulating the "mystery" of Diana.

"[Kristen] can be very mysterious on camera and that I connected with the mystery that Diana had," Pablo explained. "She's able to have a very expressive and strong internal world that she's always breathing and that's how we connect.

"I think the incredible resemblance she has with Diana is not only because of the way she looks but mostly because she's able to create an emotional bridge between her and the audience," he went on. "I really enjoyed working with her and seeing how she was able to bring that majesty."

And although you might assume it took a while to find the perfect Diana to lead the movie, it actually happened pretty quickly during a phone call between Pablo and Kristen.

"It was just a simple conversation," Pablo said of the call, describing Kristen as "unflinching." 

"It was just like, 'Hey, I'm gonna make this movie, would you play Diana?' It was quite a call. With her perfect American accent, she said, 'Yeah, sure, I'll do it.'

"I thought she was fearless," he added. "I thought she was confident and she wanted to do this and she needed to do this as much as I needed to do this."

The story of Princess Diana is one that's been recounted in multiple forms numerous times over the years. However, the person at the center of it all is still shrouded in mystery despite being one of the most well-known people in the world.

"What's interesting is that the more you research, you read, the more movies you see, TV shows, documentaries, countless books, articles, you name it, the less you know," Pablo told BuzzFeed News. "There's an incredible amount of mystery that she carries, and combined with such magnetism, it's so striking just to know why she was so obscure, so interesting for millions around the world.

"I grew up seeing my mom being very interested in her," he continued. "I realized that my mom was just one out of hundreds of millions around the world and I thought it was captivating. I thought it was interesting to work around a figure that is such an icon — a pop icon, as a mother, as a woman, as a fashion icon. There's so many layers that are so interesting to cinema, but particularly I guess, it's the mystery. It’s just something that's uncrackable."

At its core, Pablo believes that Spencer is a movie about motherhood, something that seems fitting for a woman who appeared to adore her children more than anything else.

"I think it's a fair portrait of motherhood, which I care a lot about," he said when asked what he was most proud of about the project. "I will never be a woman, I can't have children — I'm a father, but mostly I'm a son."

He added: "Here, thanks to the kids, the little actors Jack and Freddie who play William and Harry, as we were filming, I realized that somehow I saw myself in them with all the differences and I understood that this movie was strongly about motherhood."

And so what is Pablo's desire for Spencer as it prepares to be unveiled to the world?

"I hope it's another element on culture that could maybe show to the world what a fascinating person she was and there's a reason why millions around the world remained so interested in her," he said. "I'm sure other movies and TV shows and documentaries will come because there's an enormous amount of humanity that she carried that really serves to be told and this is another version, another angle, and I hope it makes sense for people."

Harpers Bazaar

Spencer, in theaters today, is not your standard biopic. In fact, it’s hardly a biopic at all.

Directed by Pablo Larraín, the film is a twisted fantasy inspired by a real person — Princess Diana — but depicting events that only maybe, possibly happened. It’s a tragedy centered on a troubled woman in the public eye, not unlike Larraín’s 2016 film Jackie, which starred Natalie Portman as Jackie Onassis in the days following the assassination of her then-husband, President John F. Kennedy.

Spencer, too, focuses on just a few days. Kristen Stewart plays a Diana who's beginning to spiral as a result of being forced to spend Christmas with Prince Charles, her husband who obviously loves another woman, and his traditional family. Her life is full of pomp and circumstance, and she badly needs an outlet where she can just be herself. The film, like Jackie, uses horror elements — like tight shots and a jolting score — to capture Diana’s mental state and emotional journey.

“I think we all go through moments where big decisions have to be made. These are moments that can define us, and those decisions can create big crises,” director Pablo Larraín tells BAZAAR. “When we are in a crisis, we behave in a way that we don't do in regular times. That crisis can reveal a lot about us. I thought it was a good approach.”

Spencer is set in Diana’s decadent but empty world, at Sandringham Palace, one of the Queen's country estates, over a span of three days on Christmas holiday with the royal family. Larraín’s vision is intricate and vibrant: the clothes are ravishing, the English countryside picturesque. Every room in the palace from the great hall and the dining room to the walk-in fridge is large, domineering, and beautiful, creating a fantastical atmosphere. Larraín’s glamorous setting contrasts heavily with Diana’s dark mindset. “It's a very intimate portrait,” Larraín said. “It's a story that's told from her perspective, so we kind of inhabit her point of view, and we are with her and experiencing everything from her eyes. It’s just this tiny, tiny amount of time, but it's about her identity. It's about her as a woman, as a mother.”

The highlight of Spencer is Kristen Stewart’s extraordinary performance — the kind in which the actor disappears — which is generating high praise and Oscar buzz. One might expect Larraín to talk about the a-ha moment when he first saw Kristen Stewart in full hair, makeup, and costume on set, but he says it wasn't a surprise because they had spent so much time together prepping for the role: talking about it over Zoom, practicing her accent, going to fitting after fitting. By the time the film began shooting, Larraín knew Stewart’s Diana intimately. “There's something internal that is related to [Diana’s] fragility and how you could see yourself in her. Eventually you don't see Kristen. You see Diana, and that is an incredible exercise of cinema,” he said.

The film features several fantastical elements, including an appearance from Anne Boleyn, Queen of England and the second wife of Henry VIII. There's also a disturbing sequence involving a pearl necklace given to Diana by Charles as a Christmas gift. Diana knows that Charles gave Camilla the same necklace, which increases her anxiety, anger, and insecurity. During dinner, Diana, uncomfortable pretending that things are okay with Charles, struggles to eat her soup. And then, in a moment ripped from a psychological thriller, she pulls the necklace off her neck. The pearls tumble into the soup and she chews them into bits, with sound effects so realistic they'll make your skin crawl. It doesn't actually happen — it’s a symbolic moment that pulls us deeper into Diana’s mind — but it's powerfully evocative all the same.

The film deals with Diana's bulimia more directly, too. There are a few scenes depicting her binge eating, and several scenes of her forcing herself to throw up in the bathroom, but they never feel gratuitous or sensationalized. Larraín avoids the common trope of focusing on the thinness of the character, and instead looks at where Diana is mentally and emotionally that has lead to this.

“I have my limitations in my view because I'm a man,” he said. “I have learned things in the process with Kristen and other actresses that I work with that you have to listen, and you have to understand that there's certain moments where you ask, 'How would you like to do this?'” he said. “In those bathroom scenes, I actually operated the camera. I'd ask, 'How do you think we should do this, Kristen?' And I would do it like that, so it didn't become just my perspective."

With Jackie and Spencer, you can’t help but wonder what Larraín’s next film might be to complete his unofficial Women Trilogy. Is there someone from history Larraín has in mind? “I'm not sure, but it should be someone from the 20th century, I think," he says. "Maybe one third and last one, maybe. I'm not sure.”

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